tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3021792712496977243.post3930529992327067346..comments2023-10-17T10:32:00.044-06:00Comments on The Savvy Way of Thinking: Home of the BraveSavvyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11196136790287332312noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3021792712496977243.post-40334118806230861292014-07-02T19:46:14.787-06:002014-07-02T19:46:14.787-06:00Totally never saw tbis and I'm not even sure w...Totally never saw tbis and I'm not even sure what's possessing me to answer these thoughts now.<br /><br />What I had been referring to is the fact that many people cling to beliefs, despite scientific evidence. Why is that? People have worked long, hard hours, with multiple workthroughs to make sure their findings are valid and proveable.<br /><br />But if they counter a belief, some will dismiss all that work. It doesn't sit well with me that, supposedly we've been given intelligence and the ability to work out problems, only to be told to just trust god, or the prophet.<br /><br />But, since people like to assume what I mean, and give me long responses based on their assumptions rather than actually waiting for me to reply, I'm not sure why I typed this out.<br /><br />Maybe I feel foolish that I removed you both becauseI was angry and upset at some facebook post you posted Savannah, and I was worried what would happen if I deleted just you and not lauren.<br /><br />Cowardly, sure, I've never been good at confrontation and speaking my mind, and that's no excuse.<br /><br />I was grieving, I watched a three year ol horse suffer and die the day I deleted you both.<br /><br />But I felt like my opinions no longer mattered because I'm no longer a member.<br /><br />I really don't know why I'm here. I do have things to apologize for, but I was hurt too.Leahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15358578400636682808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3021792712496977243.post-28123885584373204772013-07-03T23:16:06.929-06:002013-07-03T23:16:06.929-06:00Oops, I commented on the journal in general instea...Oops, I commented on the journal in general instead of in response to you, which is what I meant to do! XD See below my thoughts!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16907444332637619802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3021792712496977243.post-80278868619241968012013-07-03T10:35:00.402-06:002013-07-03T10:35:00.402-06:00Oops, that was also Louis Pasteur ^^ Not EinstienOops, that was also Louis Pasteur ^^ Not EinstienSavvyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11196136790287332312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3021792712496977243.post-52177980863745864672013-07-03T10:23:04.816-06:002013-07-03T10:23:04.816-06:00Thank you for explaining well, Lauren ^^ I'm n...Thank you for explaining well, Lauren ^^ I'm never good at explaining, but my heart is still there, heh. Louis Pasteur has an awesome story. Was it Einstein that said science actually brought him closer to God? I forget which scientist, but I'll have to look it up ^^;Savvyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11196136790287332312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3021792712496977243.post-72338902457002196312013-07-03T09:54:50.747-06:002013-07-03T09:54:50.747-06:00Something being revealed later as opposed to now i...Something being revealed later as opposed to now isn't, like, some sort of question of fickleness, keeping people in the dark, or vague disinclination on God's part. In the Book of Mormon - which I know Leah doesn't believe in, but hopefully you'll understand it's a valid source because I'm just trying to represent my own beliefs - Er, what was I saying? Oh yeah, lol. In the BoM Jacob says how at some points people asked for knowledge they weren't ready for, and they DID get it - but they didn't understand it, weren't ready for it, and it just turned into stumbling blocks they all tripped over and forgot the plain things they used to understand, because they were "looking beyond the mark." And then they lost the foundation of stone they HAD been standing on. Whereas if they'd kept their stone foundation and worked and sought answers without demanding shortcuts, they wouldn't have fallen into bondage.<br /><br />Despite what a lot of people think, the LDS Church as a religion intrinsically encourages answer-seeking and study. It's only when people get complacent with the idea that they can "eyeball" the gospel rather than measuring precisely do they fall into the ignorant (and lazy) attitude that having faith means abandoning curiosity.<br /><br />So like, revealed later vs revealed now through science, I kind of don't get it? Aren't both sort of a question of how much people in general and/or individuals are willing to seek knowledge and inspiration in order to get answers? <br /><br />Science is funny. Everything we think we know is just a question of what hasn't been disproved yet. So many variables can occur in studies that anyone who already has an opinion one way or the other - as in the question of homosexuality, which I get the idea you're referring to, Leah? - will cite those variables in conjunction with preconceived notions as reasons why the opposing side's studies aren't valid. I personally think both sides get pretty dumb and derogatory that way, really snide, angry and dismissive, and that doesn't sit well with me in either direction.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16907444332637619802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3021792712496977243.post-80121409917706863812013-07-03T09:53:16.486-06:002013-07-03T09:53:16.486-06:00I'm not sure I understand Leah's question?...I'm not sure I understand Leah's question? Like, what does it mean for God to provide answers through science right now? To me, science is the act of studying the physical things God's created, whether or not you believe in God - a passionate love for, analysis of and search for explanations about how everything works, physically speaking. Science is an intense, arduous process. You've gotta work and work and work and theorized and experiment and study and research and record your findings and experiment again. <br /><br />I always think of Louis Pasteur and how he had to work so hard to figure out the whole mystery of why, though their elemental composition was identical, synthetic tartaric acid crystals and genuine tartaric acid crystals rotated polarized light differently. It had been a long- standing scientific mystery, but Pasteur solved it. Yanush Korchak (who wrote a book about him) described Pasteur's process like this - "The scientist searches, he makes mistakes; begins and stops, leaves and comes back, makes mistakes again and corrects them." And that's the same as what people do when searching for spiritual answers. <br /><br />With spiritual stuff and scientific stuff both, you don't get answers until the right combination of knowledge, experimentation, circumstance, and inspiration happens. Though a religious/spiritual man, Pasteur didn't say after a certain point, "I've worked hard enough at finding answers, I deserve to know now, make it so, oh Lord." He had to meticulously separate the different crystals to examine and identify the differences. Having not only been willing to work toward the answer, but also having DONE work - not just any work, but the right work that was applicable and correct and led to new discoveries, which is what distinguishes him from other great scientists who worked on that mystery but never solved it - is what made him "ready."Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16907444332637619802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3021792712496977243.post-5053125563493331212013-07-02T13:51:40.858-06:002013-07-02T13:51:40.858-06:00God isn't going to give us things we aren'...God isn't going to give us things we aren't ready for. There are things we won't know in this life. He does work through science. My brother works through science AND religion. God provides answers when we are humble and ask with a sincere heart. We also have to have the faith. Its not faith AFTER a miracle, but before. ^^ Its harder to believe first then see, but that is part of our test here on Earth. Good question. Savvyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11196136790287332312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3021792712496977243.post-33720843205555092232013-07-02T13:48:13.722-06:002013-07-02T13:48:13.722-06:00I have a question. In church we'd often be tol...I have a question. In church we'd often be told that some things would be revealed at a latter time.<br /><br />Couldn't god then provide those answers through science? Right now? Just a thought.Leahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15358578400636682808noreply@blogger.com